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TLC Forum We'll leave the lamppost on for you. 2023-01-26T07:32:06 https://www.thelionscall.com/forum/app.php/feed/forum/20 2023-01-26T07:32:06 2023-01-26T07:32:06 https://www.thelionscall.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=416&p=88067#p88067 <![CDATA[Prince Caspian • Re: Cair Paravel's ruins]]> Which is... about typical of the veracity of what the Narnia Wiki usually says. I could swear half the stuff up there is just someone's headcanon. (If anyone has the thoroughness and discretion of research that sort of thing requires, and the time, and would like to bring it up to the standards of other fandom Wikis, starting with sources, that would be awesome. I already have a gazillion other interests, unfortunately.)

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2023-01-24T21:13:46 2023-01-24T21:13:46 https://www.thelionscall.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=416&p=88064#p88064 <![CDATA[Prince Caspian • Re: Cair Paravel's ruins]]> According to Merriam Webster online:
"Etymology of paravail
Anglo-French paravale, from Old French par aval below, from par by + aval down, from a to + val valley"

Also, according to OxfordReference.com:
"Caer
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A Welsh word meaning ‘wall; fort, castle, citadel’ as employed in numerous place-names. Sometimes anglicized as Kaer. Entries relating to Caer are given letter by letter, whether ‘Caer’ is a separate word or a prefix."

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2023-01-22T17:03:20 2023-01-22T17:03:20 https://www.thelionscall.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=416&p=88058#p88058 <![CDATA[Prince Caspian • Re: Cair Paravel's ruins]]>
According to Google search, here is another take on the origin of Cair Paravel's name:
" 'Cair Paravel' means “a lesser court” (Old English: 'caer' means 'court' and 'paravail' means 'lesser' or 'under.') This is probably a reference to the fact that the kings of Narnia are under Aslan.
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I'm going to be academically pedantic but - "Google search" is not a source. :-) Back searching it, I found the Narnia Wiki as the source. It gives no source itself, as is its wont. I'm a bit sceptical. My knowledge of Old English is unfortunately minimal, but I'm sure it can be confirmed or refuted through that somehow. :-)
ETA: Forgot to say - if it is the true translation, though, it would make a lot of sense.

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2023-01-20T05:57:56 2023-01-20T05:57:56 https://www.thelionscall.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=416&p=88052#p88052 <![CDATA[Prince Caspian • Re: Cair Paravel's ruins]]> " 'Cair Paravel' means “a lesser court” (Old English: 'caer' means 'court' and 'paravail' means 'lesser' or 'under.') This is probably a reference to the fact that the kings of Narnia are under Aslan.
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2019-02-20T17:08:52 2019-02-20T17:08:52 https://www.thelionscall.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=416&p=85756#p85756 <![CDATA[Prince Caspian • Re: Cair Paravel's ruins]]> I rather think that Narnia’s rulership would have borne more similarity to Israel’s monarchy (a king under God rather than a king on behalf of God, which sounds more like the judges), but as this thread is about the Cair’s ruins, this is better left for discussion elsewhere.

Thanks for clarifying the details not given by Lewis. :)

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2019-02-20T12:00:18 2019-02-20T12:00:18 https://www.thelionscall.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=416&p=85755#p85755 <![CDATA[Prince Caspian • Re: Cair Paravel's ruins]]>
Information about castle design ... well ... again, historic study.

As for the oak ceiling and large brass lanterns, I heard that on good faith from the faun that used to give tours before I started taking visitors through the property at two crescents a head. (sheepish badgerly grin).

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2019-02-20T01:09:40 2019-02-20T01:09:40 https://www.thelionscall.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=416&p=85754#p85754 <![CDATA[Prince Caspian • Re: Cair Paravel's ruins]]> Statistics: Posted by Ariel.of.Narnia — Wed Feb 20, 2019 1:09 am


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2019-02-19T23:18:42 2019-02-19T23:18:42 https://www.thelionscall.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=416&p=85753#p85753 <![CDATA[Prince Caspian • Re: Cair Paravel's ruins]]>
As the sentinel and guardian of the mouth of the Great River leading inland from the Great Eastern Sea, it had an important job protecting the heartland of Narnia from invasion by sea. It also collected tariffs from nations without most favored nation trading status, and represented in a monument in the gardens the Throne of Aslan himself.

The design of the building reflected the state of wartime technology in Narnia, with crenelation and tall towers to enable archers to man the walls. It did not have a star-wall because the rock it sat on made it invulnerable to sappers, so there was no need to cover the base of the walls against digging.

As I am fond of telling tour groups, the terra cotta tiled ceiling over the great hall was supported by massive Alandran oaks, prized for their dense and rot-resistant wood. The large lanterns on either side of the main gate were cast from bronze captured from Jadis' army during the Battle at Beruna Ford. Each weighs in excess of 400 parkins and requires twelve good lads on the ropes to take them down and clean them once every five years. They are often referred to as Mariel and Cassandra, names that recently were found to be the two daughters of the Arkenlandish craftsman who designed them.

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2017-06-04T15:05:05 2017-06-04T15:05:05 https://www.thelionscall.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=416&p=81337#p81337 <![CDATA[Prince Caspian • Re: Cair Paravel's ruins]]> Statistics: Posted by knightofnarnia — Sun Jun 04, 2017 3:05 pm


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2016-02-17T21:19:46 2016-02-17T21:19:46 https://www.thelionscall.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=566&p=68310#p68310 <![CDATA[Prince Caspian • Re: What Language was Spoken in Narnia?]]>

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2016-02-11T01:59:05 2016-02-11T01:59:05 https://www.thelionscall.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=566&p=67817#p67817 <![CDATA[Prince Caspian • Re: What Language was Spoken in Narnia?]]>
Of course, that would leave the question of how we got The Last Battle - but the hypothesis works well up to a point!

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2016-02-10T02:39:37 2016-02-10T02:39:37 https://www.thelionscall.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=566&p=67717#p67717 <![CDATA[Prince Caspian • Re: What Language was Spoken in Narnia?]]> Statistics: Posted by Lily of Archenland — Wed Feb 10, 2016 2:39 am


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2016-02-09T21:03:31 2016-02-09T21:03:31 https://www.thelionscall.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=566&p=67663#p67663 <![CDATA[Prince Caspian • Re: What Language was Spoken in Narnia?]]>
I do understand your point, though - I'm surprised that there wasn't /more/ of a language shift than what is (barely) obvious in the books.

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