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TLC Forum We'll leave the lamppost on for you. 2023-01-26T07:32:06 https://www.thelionscall.com/forum/app.php/feed/topic/416 2023-01-26T07:32:06 2023-01-26T07:32:06 https://www.thelionscall.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=416&p=88067#p88067 <![CDATA[Re: Cair Paravel's ruins]]> Which is... about typical of the veracity of what the Narnia Wiki usually says. I could swear half the stuff up there is just someone's headcanon. (If anyone has the thoroughness and discretion of research that sort of thing requires, and the time, and would like to bring it up to the standards of other fandom Wikis, starting with sources, that would be awesome. I already have a gazillion other interests, unfortunately.)

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2023-01-24T21:13:46 2023-01-24T21:13:46 https://www.thelionscall.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=416&p=88064#p88064 <![CDATA[Re: Cair Paravel's ruins]]> According to Merriam Webster online:
"Etymology of paravail
Anglo-French paravale, from Old French par aval below, from par by + aval down, from a to + val valley"

Also, according to OxfordReference.com:
"Caer
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A Welsh word meaning ‘wall; fort, castle, citadel’ as employed in numerous place-names. Sometimes anglicized as Kaer. Entries relating to Caer are given letter by letter, whether ‘Caer’ is a separate word or a prefix."

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2023-01-22T17:03:20 2023-01-22T17:03:20 https://www.thelionscall.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=416&p=88058#p88058 <![CDATA[Re: Cair Paravel's ruins]]>
According to Google search, here is another take on the origin of Cair Paravel's name:
" 'Cair Paravel' means “a lesser court” (Old English: 'caer' means 'court' and 'paravail' means 'lesser' or 'under.') This is probably a reference to the fact that the kings of Narnia are under Aslan.
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I'm going to be academically pedantic but - "Google search" is not a source. :-) Back searching it, I found the Narnia Wiki as the source. It gives no source itself, as is its wont. I'm a bit sceptical. My knowledge of Old English is unfortunately minimal, but I'm sure it can be confirmed or refuted through that somehow. :-)
ETA: Forgot to say - if it is the true translation, though, it would make a lot of sense.

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2023-01-20T05:57:56 2023-01-20T05:57:56 https://www.thelionscall.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=416&p=88052#p88052 <![CDATA[Re: Cair Paravel's ruins]]> " 'Cair Paravel' means “a lesser court” (Old English: 'caer' means 'court' and 'paravail' means 'lesser' or 'under.') This is probably a reference to the fact that the kings of Narnia are under Aslan.
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2019-02-20T17:08:52 2019-02-20T17:08:52 https://www.thelionscall.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=416&p=85756#p85756 <![CDATA[Re: Cair Paravel's ruins]]> I rather think that Narnia’s rulership would have borne more similarity to Israel’s monarchy (a king under God rather than a king on behalf of God, which sounds more like the judges), but as this thread is about the Cair’s ruins, this is better left for discussion elsewhere.

Thanks for clarifying the details not given by Lewis. :)

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2019-02-20T12:00:18 2019-02-20T12:00:18 https://www.thelionscall.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=416&p=85755#p85755 <![CDATA[Re: Cair Paravel's ruins]]>
Information about castle design ... well ... again, historic study.

As for the oak ceiling and large brass lanterns, I heard that on good faith from the faun that used to give tours before I started taking visitors through the property at two crescents a head. (sheepish badgerly grin).

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2019-02-20T01:09:40 2019-02-20T01:09:40 https://www.thelionscall.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=416&p=85754#p85754 <![CDATA[Re: Cair Paravel's ruins]]> Statistics: Posted by Ariel.of.Narnia — Wed Feb 20, 2019 1:09 am


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2019-02-19T23:18:42 2019-02-19T23:18:42 https://www.thelionscall.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=416&p=85753#p85753 <![CDATA[Re: Cair Paravel's ruins]]>
As the sentinel and guardian of the mouth of the Great River leading inland from the Great Eastern Sea, it had an important job protecting the heartland of Narnia from invasion by sea. It also collected tariffs from nations without most favored nation trading status, and represented in a monument in the gardens the Throne of Aslan himself.

The design of the building reflected the state of wartime technology in Narnia, with crenelation and tall towers to enable archers to man the walls. It did not have a star-wall because the rock it sat on made it invulnerable to sappers, so there was no need to cover the base of the walls against digging.

As I am fond of telling tour groups, the terra cotta tiled ceiling over the great hall was supported by massive Alandran oaks, prized for their dense and rot-resistant wood. The large lanterns on either side of the main gate were cast from bronze captured from Jadis' army during the Battle at Beruna Ford. Each weighs in excess of 400 parkins and requires twelve good lads on the ropes to take them down and clean them once every five years. They are often referred to as Mariel and Cassandra, names that recently were found to be the two daughters of the Arkenlandish craftsman who designed them.

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2017-06-04T15:05:05 2017-06-04T15:05:05 https://www.thelionscall.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=416&p=81337#p81337 <![CDATA[Re: Cair Paravel's ruins]]> Statistics: Posted by knightofnarnia — Sun Jun 04, 2017 3:05 pm


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2015-12-01T12:11:40 2015-12-01T12:11:40 https://www.thelionscall.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=416&p=62206#p62206 <![CDATA[Re: Cair Paravel's ruins]]>
Which is, in fact, a bit weird considering it sits right at the sea, whereas my country lies more on the border between sea and continental climate...
Quite so.

Perhaps CSL was not quite as eager as JRRT in carrying out consequences in detail, when it comes to geography and such.
But I do remember from the descriptions in PC that it seems most of the walls of the castle are still standing, just the roofs and maybe the tops of the walls are fallen down?
Roofs fallen down, doors rotten. Walls standing (or most of them).

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But I do remember from the descriptions in PC that it seems most of the walls of the castle are still standing, just the roofs and maybe the tops of the walls are fallen down?

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2015-11-29T10:41:25 2015-11-29T10:41:25 https://www.thelionscall.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=416&p=62088#p62088 <![CDATA[Re: Cair Paravel's ruins]]>
I have a feeling that Narnia is a very temperate place, probably similar to England or Scotland in weather.
Wonder if there is consistency even.

In MN and PC, Narnia seems to be warmer than England - but that might be because Digs and Polly and the four Pevensies arrived in another season than the English one.

On the other hand, summers don't seem to be all that rainy in Narnia, unlike England.

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2015-11-29T05:29:45 2015-11-29T05:29:45 https://www.thelionscall.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=416&p=62077#p62077 <![CDATA[Re: Cair Paravel's ruins]]> (ACK! Plot bunny! What have you done, Tooky?!)

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2015-11-29T05:02:58 2015-11-29T05:02:58 https://www.thelionscall.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=416&p=62071#p62071 <![CDATA[Re: Cair Paravel's ruins]]>
As to the amount of time that it would take and flora and fauna ect,ect overgrowing things we don't know how long it was between the Pevinsives left and Talmar invaded. It's very possible that Narnia remained under a sort of rule and the Cair was maintained for centuries before Telmar invaded. Perhaps the Ram the Great was great because he cared for both Narnia and Archenland? I also find it highly unlikely that the Penvensives would all go hunting for the white stag without leaving a regent who would establish some sort of rule. It's even possible, though unlikely since they never mentioned it, that given how long they were in Narnia /one/ of the four could have married and left an heir.

As to the rebuilding of ruins, I do think that the castle was in a much better state than it was in the movie, there were probably some wings that were still structurally sound and could be rebuilt. And it's not unknown to have massive building projects done quickly, such as the Nehemiah example and they would have magic to help out, Aslan could have even given some aid after the coronation.

Also it's very possible that the Cair was far from finished with the exception of some necessary rooms when VDT took place and the builders were more than happy to see Caspian off and have him out of their hair :P

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