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(@elanorelle)
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This thread can be used for anything regarding the film Frozen. I know it's a bit late to post anything having to do with it now but better late than never, right?

As a warning there definitely can and will be spoilers posted within this thread.
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I'm not going to go into too much detail concerning the movie I'll just a say few things about it. 🙂

It's been a while since I saw it but it's still pretty fresh in my mind. The movie as a whole wasn't exactly what I was expecting but that's good; I liked how it seemed as if it was going to be like every other princess movie, you know the prince/hero saves the princess/girl, (at the point when one of the characters, a troll perhaps, said "an act of true love" and subsequently "a true love's kiss" I sighed), but the sudden and unexpected turn of events was overall pleasant.

If I were to compare both Tangled and Frozen each would win in different categories. I prefer how Tangled's songs were integrated in the story but Frozen's felt a little oddly placed (the singing of lines and stuff). Frozen's storyline seemed much more original and more relateable to me so I enjoyed that part better than Tangled's. There are probably others I have but these are the ones I'm getting off of the top of my head.

So I truly do like Frozen especially the sister relationship since I can strongly relate to it. The only complaint I have is Hans (and the circumstances surrounding his character)... I mean ugh-really?! REALLY?! He seemed like such a great character at first but turned out to be just a Sir Gilfrey. There is so much more I could say about him... >.<

What are your thoughts on the film?


   
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(@albero1)
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Well... I thought it was lovely. I have to disagree with you on how the music was oddly placed... I thought it was great (because I would sing everything I said if I had the voice 😉 )

Let's see... what about favorite line? Mine would have to be either this one:

Ana: Now, don't let yourself be seen!
Olaf: Okay! *disappears behind some houses* Hello!
Random lady: *screams*

Or this one:

Olaf: If I was in summer, I'd be a... *stops in front of puddle**jumps over puddle*... happy snowman! (Incidentally, "puddle" rhymes with whatever word it was that he had sung in the line before)

Or, maybe this one:

Olaf: *finishes his song about summer*
Christophe: *to Ana* Someone's gotta tell him.
Olaf: *starts going on and on about how lovely summer would be*
Christophe; I'm gonna tell him.
Ana: You will NOT!

Oh! I almost forgot about this one:

Olaf: What's the name of the funky donkey?
Ana: Oh! He's Sven.
Olaf: And the reindeer?
Ana: ...Sven...

Have you figured out by now that Olaf is my favorite character? He's so sweet (AND absolutely hilarious!)

And... I have no complaints about Hans. I have this thing against a normal prince/princess romance, so I almost literally jumped up and screamed "YEEEEEESSSSSSS!!!" when he was evil. 😀 Besides, Christophe was right, she didn't even know Hans' last name! (although she didn't know Christophe's, either...)


   
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I agree with Elanor on the songs. I like the songs, don't get me wrong (with the exception of the line "No right, no wrong, no rules for me" in "Let It Go"). But I felt like they kind of stopped the story, inserted the songs, and then started up the movie again. The only song I thought flowed smoothly in and out of the story was "Fixer-Upper".

I loved the sister relationship, even if I still question how they could possibly be as close as they are if Elsa has shut herself away for a good 10+ years....

I liked that Hans was actually a baddie (heehee, Elanor, I appreciate that you referenced the Snake!) and that Anna socked him good on the schnozz. However, I didn't get the feeling of a relationship building between Christoph and Anna either till the end when she presented the new sled.

Elsa's struggle is relatable. Olaf is amusing. Anna's good and dedicated. The Duke of Weasleton was properly irritating. Sven's expressions are wonderfully paired with Christoph's dialoguing for him.


   
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I guess I'm the only one with this Hans problem... I think the main reason I have such a problem with him being the villain is that after he and Anna first meet (when he is in the water) he gives a "lovesick" or "longing" look and as I told my sister, Eria, if the look was different I probably would not have much of a problem with him.


   
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Sorry, this is really bugging me guys. His name is Kristoff. Just so you know.

I loved the songs, they did seem to break in and out instead of flowing with the movie. Ariel, I agree with you about that line in 'Let it Go' however, I was really happy how they showed and Elsa realized that she really couldn't be free, not without hurting people. There were consequences for her freedom. On the subject of songs, I wish that Kristoff or Anna and Kristoff would have had a song to sing together. I would have liked to hear Kristoff sing more than his little song with Sven. That said, I thought that song was quite funny. I like how Kristoff gave Sven a voice, and Sven had body language that made it seem like he was saying what Kristoff said. My favorite conversation between the two goes like this:
Sven: "But she'll die on her own!"
Kristoff: "I can live with that."
Sven: "But then you won't get your new sled!"
Kristoff: "Sometimes I don't really like you."

Also about songs, on youtube (site not affiliated with TLC) look for the Frozen (OST) Outtake songs edition of the soundtrack. The songwriters recorded and released several songs that did not make the cut for the movie, but are still just as good. I'm really hoping that they'll be able to incorporate some of these discarded songs into the Broadway musical version. Some of them won't work, and that's why they were cut, but some of them could be worked in. 🙂 Two of my favorites are "More Than Just the Spare" and "Life's Too Short" and it's reprise. So go check those out!

I loved how Hans was evil. I also love how the writer's gave you only one hint that he could possibly be bad. In 'Love is an Open Door' he gestures out at the town and says that he's been searching for his own place. The reaction of my family members was hilarious when they realized that Hans was evil (I had seen it already, so I knew what was coming). I was okay with Anna punching him, but I did want to see what Kristoff would have done to him because he loves and protects Anna.


   
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(@ariel-of-narnia)
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@Engee: Ah, thank you. I knew I was spelling Kristoff's name wrong!


   
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@Engee Ooh I'll have Eria check out those songs!
Yes I have to say that the reaction in the theater to Hans' sudden treachery was great, everyone seemed to gasp. 😀 I like when audiences are /that/ engrossed in the films.


   
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@Elanor Haha, yeah! The audience was great at the theater I was in. At one point, Olaf says, "Winter's a good time to stay in a cuddle, but put me in summer and I'll be a..." and he's standing right in front of a puddle, and one little girl in the audience shouted out, "A puddle!!" It was so cute and everyone laughed.


   
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I, personally, loved Frozen. I thought the songs were great, and the characters were great, too.

Just a little side note here, my mom loved the movie. My mom isn't the biggest 'new' Disney fan out there; she does like the older ones, but I don't think Tangled (really the only 'newer' movie she's seen) impressed her that much. In her own words,

My favorite part about it was how the true love was between sisters.

And I also liked how it showed that love-at-first-sight isn't always real.

So, yeah. 🙂


   
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(@ShiofNarnia)
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Wow there's already a lot going on in this thread! 🙂

So personally I loved Frozen. I thought the songs were great and the film was something different than most princess movies. I like that it was Anna's act of true love in saving her sister that thawed her frozen heart, rather than a "true love's kiss."

I knew before that Hans was a bad guy, so that kind of spoiled having a reaction for me. But I think it was a good twist. And I like that Elsa tells Anna she can't marry a man she just met, and how Kristoff's like "You got engaged to someone you just met THAT day?!?!" LOL.

I love Kristoff and how he talks for Sven. Engee, I think I said the same thing about wishing Kristoff had sung more. But then Always pointed out that that wouldn't have really fit his character. Like him singing the song with Sven did fit him, but singing other that that wouldn't really.

I did not care for the outtake songs, and I'm glad they used what they did in the film.

Olaf is hilarious, he has so many great lines. 🙂

As for Elsa, I came across a verse in the Bible one day that reminded me of her. (Please don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Frozen is a spiritual movie or anything 🙂 Just was reminded of Elsa.) It was:

There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves punishment, and the one who fears is not perfected in love. (1 John 4:18 NASB)

So Elsa couldn't love cause she was full of fear, but she didn't have fear any more once she discovered that it was love that would thaw. Love casts out fear.

Again, I'm just making an application. 🙂


   
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@Jaygee: Your mom is so totally right.
@Shi: *gasp* That' is such a perfect verse for Elsa! 😀 And I think your right about how more singing wouldn't really fit Kristoff. And Elsa's and Kristoff's reactions to Anna's engagement. 😆


   
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Ok so yay I'm joining in the conversation! ^.^
Ok so I agree with very many of you on some things
I like the songs immensely though I do agree with Ariel that one line isn't at all my favorite 😉 But I do have to say I don't think the songs were as forced as people think mainly because they tried something different with them this time around. It was of an opera style musical then say Tangled and I thought it was an interesting twist and very pleasing (to me at least)
And Engee I checked those songs, very nice, though Life's Too Short was totally out there considering it was a totally different Elsa so I am glad they didn't take that route, but the reprise of it was very sweet 🙂
And Shi that is a great verse and I think it fits Elsa very well 🙂

Okay so now on to the subject of Hans. As my fav. list goes Elsa, Anna, and Hans I must disagree with the evil Hans enthusiasm. I stand with Ela on this, I was REALLY REALLY REALLY upset that Hans was evil I mean WHAT!?

And... I have no complaints about Hans. I have this thing against a normal prince/princess romance, so I almost literally jumped up and screamed "YEEEEEESSSSSSS!!!" when he was evil.

I liked that Hans was actually a baddie

I loved how Hans was evil.

I knew before that Hans was a bad guy, so that kind of spoiled having a reaction for me. But I think it was a good twist.

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So according to the feelings around the room we seem alone in our disagreement. So I liked the twist on Hans not being her true love because I already knew it was gonna be Kristoff I mean come on it's Disney 😉 And I was wondering what would happen to Hans. I never expected this 😥

So anyway, Hans being evil was totally out of character, I mean seriously. At the beginning when Anna and Hans first meet, (even before she claims to be the princess), he is taken with her. The way he protects the kingdom when Anna was gone shows how noble he is. Why does he save Elsa if he wanted her dead anyway? The whole 'I'm an evil prince in disguise mwahahaha' was just so WEIRD. I mean back when there were princes how many of them truly married for love, without the thought of the girls position?

Personally I find nothing wrong with him wanting to be king by marrying Anna; though I disagree with killing Elsa-it seemed so forced and fake-out of character. As an aside, I know some think he aims the crossbow at the chandelier to kill Elsa but that doesn't make much sense because he could have just let the soldier do it and leave himself in the clear. (He did say to the Duke of Weaselton that he would not hesitate to protect Arendelle from treason, so he would have been off the hook considering it would have been the Duke's soldier that committed the deed.) He also could have become king sooner and his problems would have been over while remaining completely under the radar. So why didn't he do it? Possibly because he isn't really evil!

Also, when he is coming up to Elsa with the sword ready to kill, all the officials are watching, which means obviously they could see Anna considering she was close enough to get there in a split second. So with that in mind if he had killed Elsa would the officials have let him go? Obviously they weren't ready to stop him even though they can see he had just lied. And why didn't they question someone to see if he was right about them saying their marriage vows or even sending someone to get the PRINCESSES body? I mean really this was so poorly set up that it is so unbelievable.

I think he would have a made a wonderful king and I still find Hans very likeable and to me, as well as Ela, much better then Kristoff.In both of our opinions Disney made a mistake with trashing Hans just so there could be room for Kristoff, which they didn't even have to do, why couldn't Hans just remain a friend to Arendelle and possibly eventually marry Elsa? I will never understand and will never be happy with this decision and am still a fan of Hans, Ela and I both.


   
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I think that Hans was really good at covering up his real intentions. He just wanted the throne. In the scene near the end when Anna wanted him to kiss her, he tells her that as heir, Elsa would have been preferable, but no one was getting anywhere with her, and that she (Anna) was so desperate for love she would marry him like that. Also, in the song "Love is an Open Door," there are very subtle hints as to Hans true intentions. He sings "I've been searching my whole life to find my own place," and "but with you ... I found my place."
(Just as a side note, I love that song they sing together, and love Hans' voice!)


   
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I thought the same thing about it being out of character for Hans myself, until I saw how good he was at acting that Anna was dead, had they played that scene first and then his reveal scene I would have been shocked that they killed off Anna. I think that Hans is both a good actor and an incredibly fast thinker.

However, I do agree with liking him as a character. I think that had he used his powers for good and not evil he would have been a good king. He was just too caught up in his own plans that he didn't see beyond his selfish ambitions to the fact that Anna was a lovable person and that Elsa would have been a queen that would have wanted help with his leadership skills-provided that he took his time with getting to know Anna before a wedding of course!

And I do like Kristoff, but I do agree that he didn't have to be the romantic lead. They would have been fine as friends, or like someone said he'd be great with Elsa. However I don't mind Anna and Kristoff together, they make a find couple. Just a generic one. And they didn't get a good love song so I'm disappointed about that. Fixer uper was....meh. It was no "Kiss the Girl" or "I see the Light"

And on the out takes, I liked "Life's too short" but as my sig suggests, the reprise of "For the First Time in Forever" was one of my favorite songs from the movie so I'm glad that they went with that. To me "Life's Too Short" seemed to come from the writers "We got 'Idina Menzel! Let's do Wicked! But not Wicked! YAY!" stage. Which I read was a thing. The song has a very "What is this Feeling" vibe to it.

As for "Just a Spare"? Yes, if they do a Broadway version I hope they rework it to fit in, I really like it. Same with "We know Better." They weren't good enough to make the movie cut, but they're fine songs. As for
"You're You" I don't like it nearly as much as "Love is and Open Door"

Oh. And the Raindeer Remix would have been WAY better than the Demi Leveto "Let it Go" for the credits. Though it wouldn't have lent itself for that cool imagery, it's a way more fun song.

On the note of the songs I /loved/ how the songs were done. I know they had a different flow then the normal Disney songs, but the flow had a very Broadway flow with putting plot points in song and using it not only to advance emotions, but also to tell a story.


   
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Woah! I haven't been on here in forever!

So I have seen Frozen 3 times and I absolutely love it!

So about Hans:

Eria said:

"So I liked the twist on Hans not being her true love because I already knew it was gonna be Kristoff I mean come on it's Disney 😉 And I was wondering what would happen to Hans. I never expected this"

But that's the thing: it was so UNDisney to have the "seemingly perfect" Prince Charming (Hans) come sweep the Princess off her feet, and then turn out to be the actual BADGUY of the film. To have Anna fall in love with Kristoff was different, because he didn't really care for her that much when they first met. He was awkward and clumsy, not like a normal Disney Prince.

Eria said

So anyway, Hans being evil was totally out of character, I mean seriously. At the beginning when Anna and Hans first meet, (even before she claims to be the princess), he is taken with her. The way he protects the kingdom when Anna was gone shows how noble he is. Why does he save Elsa if he wanted her dead anyway? The whole 'I'm an evil prince in disguise mwahahaha' was just so WEIRD.

The whole point about Hans taking care of the Kingdom was to gain the people's trust, to gain their respect and their love. OF COURSE the people of Arendelle would want Hans to be their King since he took care of them so! This point when Anna gave him charge was his perfect opportunity for him to look good! It was not out of character for Hans to turn bad, because he blatantly told Anna his plot the whole time: to get a kingdom. He even told her as far as an heir went, Elsa would have been preferable to marry. But he said she was untouchable, and that Anna was desperate for love. He said it was so easy for him to slip in because of how much Anna was dying for attention.

Hans also saved Elsa because he wanted the winter to be stopped. He wanted to still make himself look good to Elsa and to everyone else. When he asks her to stop the winter, and she says she can't, a look of realization comes over him, but then he says "I'll see what I can do" when Elsa tells him that they have to let her go. He then has the perfect opportunity to kill Elsa when he claims that she "killed" Anna.

I love this movie, and thought that it was very different from most Princess movies out there. It's one of my favorites!


   
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