Ahhhhhhh! Stoick dies?? No!!!!!!!!! (I love spoilers, mwahahaha!)

I love spoilers too! (I mean, I probably won't even see HTTYD2 for at least a while....)

Yeah. There's a piece onthe soundtrack titled "Stock Saves Hiccup", which gets an emotional sound to it, followed by an even more emotional "Stoick's Ship". PluggedIn revealed that he jumps in front of "someone" (Hiccup, obviously) and takes a dragon's fire-blast full-on. 😥

So I just got back from seeing it! IT'S AMAZING!! But I mean the feels...no seriously THE FEELS!!!!!!! 😥 😥 😥 😥 😥 😥
So all I have to say is it is one of the best animated sequels out there!! No seriously it is soooo good.
Now I guess that since this is the spoiler thread I get to give spoilers 😛
So I am going to start with the feels (which basically as Ariel states starts with Stoick's death) And basically lasts the rest of the movie 😥
So yes Stoick does die jumping in front of Hiccup. But the saddest thing is, is that Toothless is the one who kills him 😥 (Although it isn't really his fault and he is being controlled by the Alpha) And then when Hiccup pushes Toothless away OOOOOOOOO! It's double split feels!! And then when Hiccup tries to bring Toothless out of the trance !!!!!!!!!! FEELS AGAIN. I mean seriously my face and shirt were so wet by the end of film. It's like Dreamworks plan was to fill the theatre with tears! O.O

THE ANIMATION WAS WONDERFUL!!!!!!!!!!! It's tremendously good!
There is also very much hilarity!! Toothless is as ADORABLE as ever 😉 And the rest of the gang are great!! They are all grown up ^.^ I LOVED Cate Blanchett as his mother too!

It's really entirely difficult to sum up how AMAZING the movie really is!!
But if there is anything else anyone (*cough* Ariel) wants to know I'd be happy to spill the beans 😉

Eria's right. There is so much to like about HTTYD2 it really couldn't be summed up. Not a single part of it was boring which surprised me because sequels are not normally so engaging.

I don't know where to start...
The animation was breathtaking and I loved the parts where Hiccup was flying on Toothless - so great to just sit and watch and enjoy.
TOOTHLESS!!! I think that's all I need to say...
Valka's character was a nice addition, I really enjoyed seeing the entire family together and it made it all the more sad when Stoick died.
The plot was thought out very well and made a couple of twists and turns. Although Drago wasn't exactly "rounded" he made for a terribly good bad guy.
Stoick's heroic death. I think Eria pretty much covered it... Toothless doing it just made it all the worse (not that he had a choice) and Hiccup turning him away... 🙁 I didn't cry myself but I did tear up which is not something that normally happens when I watch sad movies.
But this wasn't too much of a sad movie (just the latter part 😛 ) there's a lot of fun to go around even towards the end (probably to help people recover).

Three syllable summary = Just too good.

**CRIES** No! Nononononono no no no! *cries again* I'll... I'll.. I'll bloody his (non-prosthetic) fist with his own face! *cries yet again* (Yes, I skimmed the other stuff both of you said to hone in on that part first.)

So. Now that that's over with... *sniffles*. I'm particularly curious about two things.
Valka. One reviewer I read wish they'd done more with her, especially since she basically "monologued about her decision to take care of dragons instead of her son". Please expand. I know that her reasoning was that she wouldn't be able to change Stoick's mind about dragons. But seriously. She abandoned her son. Coolness points go down.
Drago. The same reviewer had mentioned that he was flat and that they had tried to give him some layering by showing that he and Hiccup have something in common, that being bodily harm due to a dragon.

And of course, any and all other beans you wish to spill. 😀
(*quietly weeps over Stoick again*)

*patpats Ariel and gives encouraging hugs*

Oh okay, Valka, yes she was interesting. Well she didn't exactly "abandon" him, when he was very young Berk was being attacked by dragons and she wanted the fighting to stop. And then (skips over parts so Ariel can still see some of the movie without knowing everything) she is basically abducted by a dragon which then becomes hers later, Cloudjumper. It is true that Stoick and the others didn't agree with her about the dragons but it isn't why she left (because she didn't choose to go) it is partly the reason she didn't go back, because she cared for the dragons and knew that Berk wouldn't accept her for her views and she believed Hiccup would take after Stoick instead of her. She does ask Hiccup for forgiveness though 🙂

Well yes, Drago isn't a very rounded character, and yes Hiccup and he do both share a bodily injury. There is however some background information about Stoick and him from the past. (I won't tell you everything about so you can see it for yourself) And other then that there isn't really any backstory and his reasoning for building his dragon army is to ultimately take complete control of everyone and all the dragons.

😀 😀 Spilling beans is a very enjoyable task!
Well lets see...
Toothless shows more of his amazing Nightfury abilities and commits a large act of bravery
Ruffnut makes up a large part of the hilarity
Eret was a nice addition and though he didn't take up a very large portion of the movie he was important and by the end a rather likeable chap.

*playfully glares* The more spoilers, the merrier!
Mm... *still wonders why she wouldn't go back for her son* Everything in me is saying how wrong that is....

Ooh, I like backstory.

Speaking of, how are his uber-sharp turns now that he knows to use those extra fins?
Ruff or Tuff? (Heh, or both?)
Oh, good to know that Eret is neither show-stealing nor pointless. 🙂

Ruff. 😀

Yay, Berry! 😀
I assume a fair portion of her contributions to humor have to do with Eret?

Lol yes very much so
My parents just kept cracking up 😛 Along with the mob of noisy children >.<

Oh dear. So basically, the one scene I saw is just the beginning, huh? 🙂

I is back!!!! 😀
I like it very much!
I didn't cry. At all. And that has nothing to do with the fact that I knew what happened or that I watched those scenes just hours before seeing it in the theater (yes, I'm an incurable spoiler-holic). Not to say that I didn't get the feels.
Drago could have been so much stronger. I think that's the biggest downer for me.
Though I now better understand Valka's reasons for leaving and never coming back, I'm still not quite convinced.
I loved how heavily focused this movie was on Hiccup. Frankly, I'm remembering a lot more of him than I am of the other kids. Which is good, since it's totally his story and he's the one with almost all the character development.
I liked that Toothless got his own character development spotlight as well. (And a little personal theory of mine (that I had before this movie came out) is strengthened by it, heehee. If only I had the time to actually write that fanfic....)
Oh, and the little bond that Stormfly and Eret had was really special. I liked that. Even if she saw him mainly as her "toy". And now that he's a Berkian, I think he'll accomplish great things with Skullcrusher.
As with every movie, I'll need to see it a few more times before I form a solid opinion on it, but for now, yes, I definitely do like it and I'm definitely looking forward to the next one! 😀

Yay! 😀 😀 Ariel watched and enjoyed it!

After watching it the first time, like any enthralling movie on the first viewing for me, I didn't grasp everything at once. I was so caught up in enjoying it that I didn't have the time (or enthusiasm) to pick at it as much as I could have.
So on the second time I had the chance of solidifying my opinion of it a little more.
As much as I do like the film Drago's character is not as great as he could be. I like characters (including villains) to be as fleshed out as possible and things hardly sit well with me when they aren't *cough* Hans *cough*. We're given so little information about him but enough to know that what he is doing is wrong. Is there ever a reason why he wants to control people not just the dragons? I don't think it's explained BUT like most villains I suspect he wants power and controlling people is definitely one way to attain it. I really need to think about this a little more...

Why do villains always disclose their plans in some way or another? Maybe they're just too arrogant or not very clever. Or both.

Umm does anyone know if Drago drowned? I'd assume he did...

I was wondering why Valka felt Hiccup would be safer without her... what does she mean by that? The dragons were obviously kind. My only guess would be that she felt she would always be an outcast because of her opinions on dragons and to be married to the chief would somehow make things difficult for everyone involved? Still, abandoning them (if there was indeed a way to get back) was wrong; I do like how she was forgiven by Hiccup and reunited with Stoick to be a family for however short a time.

(Ooh what's the theory, Ariel?)

Yep, I still really like it but felt some parts could be explained better or expanded as necessary.
And wow is that a lot of questions! Anyone feel free to answer them or not - most are just a part of my thought processes.

Drago never gives a "why" for his plans. So unless he doesn't have a "why" and is simply power-hungry for no reason whatsoever.... But again, an actual motivation would make that so much stronger.

No idea why villains like to monologue about their plans. I mean, talk about bad strategy (usually, anyway. Sometimes it could be used to great effect.)

I think Valka's logic was that if she stayed, Hiccup would be endangered because though a dragon might not just snatch him up, her inaction (based not on fear or apathy, but on an understanding of what was going on) would end up disastrous when any other Viking (Stoick, especially) would show up and rile the dragon to the point of its bringing Hiccup harm, accidentally or not. (Basically, like Stoick startling the Monstrous Nightmare in the kill ring in HTTYD1. Hookfang wouldn't have attacked if Stoick hadn't scared him.) *shrugs* At this point, that's my only theory on that.

Okay, so my Toothless theory is really more of a what-if than a theory.
But prepare yourselves.
This may (or may not) blow your mind.
It's that backwards.
Ready?
Okay.
What if Night Furies are the "runt" dragon species rather than the elite?
This is where you say, "Why on earth would you think that, Ariel?"
Well, it pretty much began with the idea to write HTTYD in Toothless' pov. Then I realized that I'd need character development in order to make it worthwhile. And then I thought, "What if he's the 'Hiccup' of the dragons and everyone has a misconception about them?"
Hiccup says that Night Furies never steal food and are never seen. Is that maybe because they are too afraid to be in the thick of action? Maybe Hiccup's line of, "I did t kill him because he looked just as scared as I was. I looked at him and I saw myself," is also true of Toothless. Perhaps the fact that Toothless takes on a Monstrous Nightmare to protect Hiccup and then the Red Death later is actually a shocker in the dragon world. And then, of course, he challenges the alpha in HTTYD2 and becomes one himself. (Parallel this to Dug in Up, who's anything but qualified to be an alpha in the eyes of the other dogs.)
So... thoughts?

Totally different note, tell me I'm not the only one getting Stoick-Hiccup feels with this song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dx1inqsFmIU (YouTube is not associated with TLC, click at your own risk, etc)